How Many Police Assets does it take?

[someone2]

Hey someone I suggest you get all the facts before posting on a public forum.

You made quite a few assumptions and then formed an opinion. Ouch!!

I suggest you get a copy of the Operating Agreements with EBRP not APRD.

Also, obtain yourself a copy of the concessionaireís agreement.

Last thing you need is the park ordinance.

Then you are all set to from an informed and lucid opinion.

Good luck trying to find anything illegal about teaching in the bay.

It could be considered though interfering with a business by using law enforcement unnecessarily and repeatedly for three years?

[dewey]

I thought we were going to let Jeff sort this out then find out what the out come is. Worst of all a "guest" trying to get everyone's panties in a bunch.

Drop it or post your real name "Guest"

[kies]

Instead of using tax funds to mount an arrest, use them to mount a clean-up.

body dragging lessons in a dumpster, basically. Who cares I never go there anymore anyway, but here is one of many articles of interest:

The chemicals found in Bay Area fish are known to cause cancer, birth defects, and damage to the immune, nervous, and reproductive systems. At relatively low exposure levels, organic forms of mercury, which can be concentrated in fish tissue, can cause neurological effects and developmental damage to fetuses. DDT and chlordane, though no longer used, persist in the environment and accumulate in fish (as well as in birds and mammals). They may affect the nervous and reproductive systems, and alter hormone levels. PCBs and dioxin may have neurological, reproductive, and immune effects and are known carcinogens. Children and pregnant women are at particular risk.
......... existing "hot spots" in the bay -- places where high levels of toxic sediments are found -- need to be cleaned up. Oakland Bay is one such hot spot, the result of its heavy use as a major port. In the meantime, in order to minimize health risks, better monitoring must be carried out and better mechanisms for informing the public about the dangers .....

[windhorny]

Funny how, much like the Alameda police department, we love drama. The same way 10 cops will come if you drive 5 mph too fast, we all are so antsy to get involved in all the politics of this issue. I say, kite while you still can at Alameda, be safe and enjoy life while you can. Unless the pope decides to support birth control sometime soon, we are all going to die of a lack of resources in the next few generations anyways. So if you were told you had a few years left before the end of the world, what would you do? Kitesurf of course! So go break some bones, quit your job, take up a new drug habbit, get a wicked buzz from blowing your kite up with your mouth, pull a kite-loop, because really, you are probably paying for health insurance that you would otherwise not be using.

[windhorny]

Instead of using tax funds to mount an arrest, use them to mount a clean-up.

body dragging lessons in a dumpster, basically. Who cares I never go there anymore anyway, but here is one of many articles of interest:

The chemicals found in Bay Area fish are known to cause cancer, birth defects, and damage to the immune, nervous, and reproductive systems. At relatively low exposure levels, organic forms of mercury, which can be concentrated in fish tissue, can cause neurological effects and developmental damage to fetuses. DDT and chlordane, though no longer used, persist in the environment and accumulate in fish (as well as in birds and mammals). They may affect the nervous and reproductive systems, and alter hormone levels. PCBs and dioxin may have neurological, reproductive, and immune effects and are known carcinogens. Children and pregnant women are at particular risk.
......... existing "hot spots" in the bay -- places where high levels of toxic sediments are found -- need to be cleaned up. Oakland Bay is one such hot spot, the result of its heavy use as a major port. In the meantime, in order to minimize health risks, better monitoring must be carried out and better mechanisms for informing the public about the dangers .....

According to George Carlin, he will live forever because he swam in a river of shit when he was young. Us Alameda surfers should be immune to everything.

[OliverG]

I thought we were going to let Jeff sort this out then find out what the out come is. Worst of all a "guest" trying to get everyone's panties in a bunch.

Drop it or post your real name "Guest"

Panties in a bunch or not, real name or not, everyone is entitled to air their views and opinions on what they feel is right or wrong on this issue.
This is America, right?

I don't think anyone's opinion is going to affect the outcome of anything, it will be decided in another forum, not this one.

All points one way or the other all valid. Post away! Your 2 cents count here.

[kitechick]

Democracy rules! Everybody's voice should be heard. After all we are just a big group which is discussing a controversial topic. If someone wants to stay anonymous so be it. (Readers shape their own opinion on that anyways)

Thank you Ollie =D>

Here is the story I heard from Emily about how Jeff's court date last week went. And I make it short because I do not remember all the details.

So they went to their scheduled court date. Jeff's court appearance was listed on the daily schedule at the courthouse when they arrived. And they went in and waited. And waited. And waited. Finally they got tired of waiting and went to the clerk who is calling the cases and he did not find any paperwork for Jeff's case.
The clerk told them that the DA had obviously not filed their paperwork (although...their case was scheduled on the court schedule which was posted outside). When they asked why he could not tell and sent them to the DAís office to inquire.

So they went there. And there was more back and forward but basically they ended up in the DAs office and were told that the DA may not really intend any more to file a misdemeanor (which is something you can get arrested for) but an ìinfractionî (which is something like a parking ticket).

And that nothing would happen that day and they would receive a letter about further scheduling.

So ñ overall: They did not get any clear ruling about whether it was wrong or right to teach in the water without being on the beach or land. About where the area of jurisdiction of the Park is. And what really his ìcrimeî was.

My thoughts:

That makes you frown, hm?
If someone here in that forum is legally educated please help us to understand and interpret this strange occurence. :shock:

A "swat team" at the beach, spending a day in jail with "crackheads" in your wetsuit, spending a day a court ñ for nothing else than a ìparking ticketî.
No clarification on the issues at question?

Either the DA was in vacation and simply did not have the time yet (they could have told Jeff about the change in the schedule) or someone got ìcold feetî. Maybe the awareness and pressure of the public had something to do with it?

Anyways ñ some of our buddies here in the forum were urging others to ìbe quietî about the case and not discuss this in the forum any more.
First I thoughtÖthey may be right. Not any more.
This is an issue of public interest, and the power of the people and the public should rule. Especially when tax dollars (= public money) are at play.

And - democracy rules.

Sylvia

[Windseeker]

"Being quiet" is never the right way to go especially when lame assed threats like "be quiet or you might loose kiting access" are comming from people to try and hush up their police assisted bullying.

Whenever "big brother" starts to push down on the rest of us we are obligated to raise a stink about it.

Wether its a big issue or a small one, silence is the same as condoneing the behaviour in the first place.

[glow=red]"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"[/glow]

[windhorny]

Well, I know when I went to court that they told me I automatically would win the case if the defendant never appeared. Of course since it is the city involved (the DA) they will find a glitch in their advantage.

[OliverG]

"Being quiet" is never the right way to go especially when lame assed threats like "be quiet or you might loose kiting access" are comming from people to try and hush up their police assisted bullying.

Whenever "big brother" starts to push down on the rest of us we are obligated to raise a stink about it.

Wether its a big issue or a small one, silence is the same as condoneing the behaviour in the first place.

[glow=red]"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"[/glow]

Don't take no guff from The Man, hear?

But seriously, to be silent is to take away your voice and opinion of what you think is right and wrong. The whole purpose and fundamental basis of this website is to promote community by bringing kiters together to have a voice and be able to speak out and act in cases just like this, so be heard!