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Re: ALAMEDA NEWBIES

Post by Greg » Wed May 05, 2010 2:46 pm

BoardsportsSchool wrote:There are local "guidelines" at every site and I think it is up to each individual pilot/kiter and the community overall to help protect access at each site. As a community, we should all be committed to best practices that assure the safety of beach goers and families. Schools can do their best to teach everyone safety awareness, but at the end of the day, it's the judgement of the individual that counts.

If you see someone doing something that may endanger the public (or the pilot/kiter), please take the time to educate them and help us all stay safe.

Here are some guidelines for Alameda that i think are good to practice:

1. Kite in hand when feet hit the sand
We teach a water based self landing / self rescue to all of our students for when they come in down wind on their own. It endangers the kiter and the public to walk up the beach with your kite in the air.

2. drag out 2 line lengths...
before waterstarting onto your board. This gives you and the beach goers a buffer zone from you crashing your kite

3. Keep 200' out away from the launch/land area
Keep clear (either in front of the shack or down by the next launch / bathroom) for 200 feet. This helps riders who may be overpowered and need to come in have a clear area to come in and land. This means don't come in and bust all your tricks right in front of the launch area. You may look cool, but you are clogging an already small launch area and making it tough to get out and back into the beach. It's also nice if people use some order in the launch area itself. If you are not launching/landing, get your kite out of the launch area to make room for others. Don't leave your kite lines all over the beach if you are not launching/landing.

4. Do not fly a full size kite with full length lines on the beach....
and don't beach jump.
I recall LMG breaking his ankle doing this...and that was the end of that
. Beach jumping may look cool, but it puts you and the public at risk if you crash a kite on land.

5. If you use a board leash, you should use a helmet and take extra care
-Don't attach it until your kite is pointed over to the water and you are at waters edge. If you are a beginner, get help your first few times so you can focus on the kite.
-Once you are riding upwind, ditch the board leash. They can be dangerous in high winds, and are dangerous if you are jumping. They are simply a beginner tool only appropriate in light winds.

6. Help beginners and as a community help each other to stay safe.
Over the years there have been many ambassadors for safety at all sites. In Alameda, we have had LMG, LMC, Syvia, Bob, Max, and others. It's critical to help people that show up and don't know what they are doing at a new site (or have poor judgement). If you see something bad, go help out and help us all protect access.

7. When in doubt, don't go out.
You jeopardize your safety and that of others to go out in overpowered conditions. We may not have too many days like that in Alameda (spring mainly), but if you have a doubt in your mind, it's probably best to listen to your gut and not go out.

8. Take lessons from a certified school and don't teach your friends to kite if you are not a trained, certified instructor.
It is illegal to teach your friends in Alameda due to liability risk, even if it's for free. We see friends helping friends who have had lessons and encourage this. But if your friend has never had a lesson, do them a favor and get them into a certified lesson with a reputable school. You may leave out critical safety information that puts them or the public at risk. Saving money may be foolish in the long run if they hurt themselves or others. I have gone through both PASA and IKO and learned many very important principals to pass onto all of my students.

Jane :)

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Two things:
(1)- correction, I broke my heal and sprained both ankle's.
(2) I question the legality of it being illegal to teach your friends, even for free.

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Re: ALAMEDA NEWBIES

Post by Boardsports » Wed May 05, 2010 3:14 pm

hi greg.
ouch! heal break sounds painful :(
for the alameda teaching your friends issue, contact the EB Parks Attorney and he can explain why that rule is in place.
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Re: ALAMEDA NEWBIES

Post by Getssum » Wed May 05, 2010 3:22 pm

I think the point LMG was trying to make is that they would have a pretty hard time proving that they were giving lessons.

When I started Kiting at Alameda, I would take friends out with me and a small kite (7.5M) to practice body dragging. They would hang on my back, providing additional ballast, and we'd drag. Sometimes we'd switch and I'd let them fly the kite for a bit while I coached them. Was I giving lessons? NO! I was trying to encourage them to take lessons!!!

Mind you, this was back in the super dangerous days of 2 line kites with wrist leashes :wink:

Bottom line is even one lesson is good, more is better, but if you are SMART, and THINK about what you are doing, you'll be ok.

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Re: ALAMEDA NEWBIES

Post by Greg » Wed May 05, 2010 4:01 pm

Getssum wrote:I think the point LMG was trying to make is that they would have a pretty hard time proving that they were giving lessons.

When I started Kiting at Alameda, I would take friends out with me and a small kite (7.5M) to practice body dragging. They would hang on my back, providing additional ballast, and we'd drag. Sometimes we'd switch and I'd let them fly the kite for a bit while I coached them. Was I giving lessons? NO! I was trying to encourage them to take lessons!!!

Mind you, this was back in the super dangerous days of 2 line kites with wrist leashes :wink:

Bottom line is even one lesson is good, more is better, but if you are SMART, and THINK about what you are doing, you'll be ok.

Back in the days of Lex, there was harmony on the beach...
Alameda had a good reputation as a place to learn....
Lessons were ENCOURAGED but not Enforced..
SINCE THAT TIME; I've seen ENFORCEMENT called in....
I've seen my playground get hostel...
I've seen people TURNED AWAY...
And I've noticed Alameda is a place people feel they should AVOID..

WHY IS THAT-

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Post by Getssum » Wed May 05, 2010 4:05 pm

I miss Lex too!

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Post by friggin old guy » Wed May 05, 2010 4:38 pm

[quote] SINCE THAT TIME; I've seen ENFORCEMENT called in....
I've seen my playground get hostel...
I've seen people TURNED AWAY...
And I've noticed Alameda is a place people feel they should AVOID..

WHY IS THAT-[quote]

Personally, it's because I feel criminal for walking my kite up the beach on light wind days (of which Alameda's got plenty).

Since I didn't do it when I was a newbie because I was afraid of killing somebody (besides myself) I find the kite in hand rule a bit over the top and I think should be reviewed. I'll only go out at Alameda now when I know it's not going to let down......and that's not very often.

Congestion in the launch zone's another one but hell there's a whole flock of kiters out there these days that were raised in a barn and don't know how to pick up after themselves. Damned kids........

We won't talk about the parasites or the car break ins.......

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Re: ALAMEDA NEWBIES

Post by Greg » Thu May 06, 2010 3:40 pm

I got a call from Jane this morning about my recient post questioning the legality of her statement that it's" illegal to teach your friends at alameda- even for free".

She asked my why I wrote what I wrote in response her next posting to speak to the attorney's office.... The simple ansure to that is: I'm pissed that the public (in this case kiters) are not allowed FULL USE of the park. Ex: it's not illegal to teach your girlfriend to ride a bike in the public park so why is it illegal to teach her to kite....

I understand Jane's situation as a business owner, etc... who bought a business that already had these provisions in place... My question is: Just because it IS, does that make it RIGHT, and if it isn't right- how can it be made so.

I told Jane I'd call the attorney, and I have. The women who ansured said he is on vacation right now and will get back to me in a few weeks. Next, "someone else" will call on my behalf to find out the ansure- they will then advise me on what was discussed.

To me it seems silly that alameda even has this situation, but it does-
So now, I'll shut up and wait for a call-
L.M.G.

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Re: ALAMEDA NEWBIES

Post by reyrivera » Thu May 06, 2010 5:16 pm

Sounds like a Draconian rule that favors the vendor who owns the contract to teach at the beach. Does this rule also applies to windsurfers and paddle boarders teaching friends?

I think the only way around this is to get a petition to change the rules to Alameda parks and recreations.

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Post by windhorny » Thu May 06, 2010 10:29 pm

Please don't accidentally raise any uneeded red flags to the beach. please.

Let Jane do what she does. If you need to teach someone, you really should go to a school anyways. Those of us who are qualified to teach that are not affiliated with a school, just don't do it where Jane can see you.

If you the student are being frugal and decide to have an unqualified person teach you, it could be your life or someone else's. Extreme, but knowledge is priceless when you plan on playing for 4+ hours in an environment we were not designed to breath in with a huge kite attached to you.

Most important is that we are ALL on the same side at the end of the day. That means, if you go calling the city and attourneys about small issues like this, it could ultimately equate to ,yet another, negative mark for us. We need those marks for all the yellow cabrinha pilots as is, so lets not spend them for nothing.

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Post by schwede » Thu May 06, 2010 10:48 pm

No worries Mr Windhorny no mister nice guy anymore anymore - We must protect this house!!!

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