how to switch from suicide to "self-landing" ...

[vdeub]

vdeub – by suicide do you mean hooked to the trim line below the bar,

yes. i ve got a 2008 bar, then there is no trim line, but a hook near the base of the chicken loop.

[vdeub]

rigging a leash all the way to the one centerline tab above the swivel is really just a beginner super safety option.

i tend to disagree, and that was the point of this thread. if you re hooked and the kite goes flying downwind after a wrong self-land (not quick enough to lay down the LE, too much side, and the wingtip catches back some wind) or imagine worst tangled lines at launch (happened to me once, now i double check 2 times always), you dont have any way of really totally kill the kite if you cannot reach one of your front line (the one with the hook if possible). last chance is to unhook and let the kite fly away by himself. happened to me once at OB, kite went flying over the dune and end up close to great highway. beginner mistake, now i am trying to be more careful ...

[EvanOR]

vdeub – by suicide do you mean hooked to the trim line below the bar,

yes. i ve got a 2008 bar, then there is no trim line, but a hook near the base of the chicken loop.

Here is your '08 bar. If you are leashing off the D ring on the side of the chicken loop that is a suicide setup. Again, your kite will only depower if you have positioned the stopper all the way up. That is an option for advanced riders wanting to practice handle passes etc in open water (when they do not want the kite to depower and come out of the sky..). It is no different in effect than leasing directly to the chicken loop.

For safety you should be leasing to the end of the trim line as shown.

[eag]

on the 08 bar you hook the leash to the loop at the end of the trim line, you do have a trim line. The trim line is the main chicken loop line that runs from your chicken loop, up through the bar, stopper and swivel, and back down through the bar to the cleat. At the end is a plastic coated loop. You trim the kite by pulling line through and cleating it off. This is the same system as Naish and Slingshot.

When you pull the safety the trim line pulls all the way through and the kite drops from the sky with 99% of the power gone. It's quite safe.


Please find any of us flying OR kite regularly at Crissy or OB and someone will give you a quick breakdown on the proper setup and rigging. You'll love the Rise, and you'll love it more when you can dial it in.

Cheers and Be Safe.

[vdeub]

5) Hesitation/timidness are your enemy. Move quickly and be aggressive. If something goes wrong, just left everything go. Since you moved the stopper all the way up, the kite will depower and swing downwind. Reach up and grab the tab by the swivel - this will flag the kite off one front line. You can then walk up that line to the kite and secure it.

Thanks for the post ,Evan. My only concern is at point 5. again, in normal wind condition i am quite confident i can catch it back, same player try again. imagine i am going back because i can barely hold my kite after the wind picked up. in those conditions reaching the swivel sounds an adventure to me, while i am bending all my body to compensate against the kite.

On the other hand, i realised that when i am self landing i holding the front trimmer already as you mentioned, then if something goes wrong it s much more easy to grab the swivel and self-release the chicken loop.
what will happen in this case, if my leash is still attached to the bar ? i suppose i will have quite a line difference between the front line that i am pulling and the bar itself - still attached to my leash - ? will that be enough to kill the kite ?

[vdeub]

Who sold you this kite and didn't explain the basics.

Certainly my fault, i jumped on it without really looking into it. i ve only used cabrinha's 2n1 bars before. So far i am totally converted : those 2-3 last days at OB were awesome, a whole new world opened to me. The range and grunt of this 10m is great.
I am so sore i will pass today, but hopefully will be back tomorrow !

Btw, not that i am criticizing cabrinha's kites by all mean, i just think i reached the limits of my omega's and could not afford a 2009 IDS kite ;)

[EvanOR]

5) Hesitation/timidness are your enemy. Move quickly and be aggressive. If something goes wrong, just left everything go. Since you moved the stopper all the way up, the kite will depower and swing downwind. Reach up and grab the tab by the swivel - this will flag the kite off one front line. You can then walk up that line to the kite and secure it.

Thanks for the post ,Evan. My only concern is at point 5. again, in normal wind condition i am quite confident i can catch it back, same player try again. imagine i am going back because i can barely hold my kite after the wind picked up. in those conditions reaching the swivel sounds an adventure to me, while i am bending all my body to compensate against the kite.

On the other hand, i realised that when i am self landing i holding the front trimmer already as you mentioned, then if something goes wrong it s much more easy to grab the swivel and self-release the chicken loop.
what will happen in this case, if my leash is still attached to the bar ? i suppose i will have quite a line difference between the front line that i am pulling and the bar itself - still attached to my leash - ? will that be enough to kill the kite ?

You're welcome, but based on your comments I have to assume two things and recommend the following. 1) If you are straining that hard against the kite on the beach you have WAY too much kite up. I don't recommend riding (or trying to self land) like that, especially going solo. I would stay near the pack if you are heading out when conditions are building.

2) I think you are a bit confused and recommend you not try this until you a) you fully understand the workings of the bar and b) have been shown how to do this on the beach. I'm not sure how else to clarify without just reiterating what I have already said. Again, myself or anyone of my local team riders or retailer are happy to demonstrate. You should also experiment in very light wind after you understand how the bar works.

[vdeub]

For safety you should be leasing to the end of the trim line as shown.

GOTCHA ! my bad ... 99% kite depower ? lets try that ;)

[eag]

hey, i wasn't trying to criticize, it's just important to know how a kite's rigging and safety works because they are all a little different.

Sometimes used gear and online sales are done without that personal touch.

enjoy.

and if you're riding OB a lot you'll come to really appreciate the OR build quality.

[vdeub]

Talking about beeing overpowered ... it looks like, based on my last week i can cover around 15-18mph/30-35mph with my 10m.
I remember one or 2 crazy days last month when it was hitting gusts around 40-45mph. i was on a 7m Omega, way to much powered during the gusts, but the depower of the kite itself is very weak in 1:1. I realized my 10m got maybe a higher range (??!!).
what were you rigging during those day ? does that make sense to go with a 6m ?