I am not sure how this ever came about but especially at Alameda it is unsafe to rig your lines with your kite in reverse. It is unsafe for two reasons. One it is a lot easier for you to make a mistake and cross your lines. Also it is awkward for someone to launch your kite that is used to the other method. Here is how I do it and it works everythime and I practically never cross my lines. Lay your kite on the beach leading edge down. Unroll your lines walking away from your kite. Your kite should be just as if you were flying it, not uside down. When you get to the end of your lines at your bar begin seperating your lines while walking back towards your kite. When you have your lines seperated connect your steering lines (Red and Blue) first. Then walk back to your bar and seperate your center lines (Black) and walk them out so that they are in the center of both your already connected sterring lines. Now connect your center lines by connecting them to the kite going under the steering lines. So basically it is like this. Connect your steering lines then walk back and make sure your depower (Center) lines are in the center of the already connected steering lines and not crossed. Then connect them by going under the steering lines and connecting them to the kite. I am not sure who teaches how to rig the reverse way but I have seen more crossed lines and sketchy launches with that method. I have tried it as well but always have trouble. Also if the kite were to flip over and become airborn the bar and lines would be fully tensioned and could seriously injur someone. Here is a diagram so you see what I mean.
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- pipedragon
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Just a discalaimer. I am not trying to impose new rules or stir it up. Just trying to get everyone on the water quickly and safely.
I am not sure how this ever came about but especially at Alameda it is unsafe to rig your lines with your kite in reverse. It is unsafe for two reasons. One it is a lot easier for you to make a mistake and cross your lines. Also it is awkward for someone to launch your kite that is used to the other method. Here is how I do it and it works everythime and I practically never cross my lines. Lay your kite on the beach leading edge down. Unroll your lines walking away from your kite. Your kite should be just as if you were flying it, not uside down. When you get to the end of your lines at your bar begin seperating your lines while walking back towards your kite. When you have your lines seperated connect your steering lines (Red and Blue) first. Then walk back to your bar and seperate your center lines (Black) and walk them out so that they are in the center of both your already connected sterring lines. Now connect your center lines by connecting them to the kite going under the steering lines. So basically it is like this. Connect your steering lines then walk back and make sure your depower (Center) lines are in the center of the already connected steering lines and not crossed. Then connect them by going under the steering lines and connecting them to the kite. I am not sure who teaches how to rig the reverse way but I have seen more crossed lines and sketchy launches with that method. I have tried it as well but always have trouble. Also if the kite were to flip over and become airborn the bar and lines would be fully tensioned and could seriously injur someone. Here is a diagram so you see what I mean.

I am not sure how this ever came about but especially at Alameda it is unsafe to rig your lines with your kite in reverse. It is unsafe for two reasons. One it is a lot easier for you to make a mistake and cross your lines. Also it is awkward for someone to launch your kite that is used to the other method. Here is how I do it and it works everythime and I practically never cross my lines. Lay your kite on the beach leading edge down. Unroll your lines walking away from your kite. Your kite should be just as if you were flying it, not uside down. When you get to the end of your lines at your bar begin seperating your lines while walking back towards your kite. When you have your lines seperated connect your steering lines (Red and Blue) first. Then walk back to your bar and seperate your center lines (Black) and walk them out so that they are in the center of both your already connected sterring lines. Now connect your center lines by connecting them to the kite going under the steering lines. So basically it is like this. Connect your steering lines then walk back and make sure your depower (Center) lines are in the center of the already connected steering lines and not crossed. Then connect them by going under the steering lines and connecting them to the kite. I am not sure who teaches how to rig the reverse way but I have seen more crossed lines and sketchy launches with that method. I have tried it as well but always have trouble. Also if the kite were to flip over and become airborn the bar and lines would be fully tensioned and could seriously injur someone. Here is a diagram so you see what I mean.
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thanks for the diagram. I didn't realize what you ment by reverse. I always get confused with the reverse way. I learned the "safe way", and figure out how I can rig on the beach that way. There are guys who only know how to rig reverse. I don't get it. When I was new they tried to show me how to rig the kite in reverse using the airplane method. Still can't do it. I guess everyone does it how they were tought.
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I think the key phrase here is "everyone does it how they were taught"...dewey wrote:thanks for the diagram. I didn't realize what you ment by reverse. I always get confused with the reverse way. I learned the "safe way", and figure out how I can rig on the beach that way. There are guys who only know how to rig reverse. I don't get it. When I was new they tried to show me how to rig the kite in reverse using the airplane method. Still can't do it. I guess everyone does it how they were tought.
it would be nice to think that your way is better than someone elses...it's not. Everyone has learned one way or another and the safest way is the way they feel more comfortable with. I rig about 3 different ways...most commonly the way you refer to as unsafe, then the way you refer to as safe, then sometimes I don't detach my lines and just unroll and go.
I haven't had a problem with my lines in as long as I can remember...even if I do, it's usually a pretty easy quick fix that does not require the kite assistant to put the kite down.
There are only preferable methhods to kite rigging and if you know them all, you can use which ever method best suits the location.
Saying that there is only one right way to rig your lines is just wrong. At Alameda, the flow of things tends to lend itself to setting your lines up downwind, however, that doesn't mean anyone has to do it that way...it would just be easier. Back when there were only 10 of us kiting their, LMG was the only one who set his lines up that way.
While I don't necessarily agree with many of the guidelines for Alameda, I understand that the people who use the spot most created them to keep the spot as safe as possible. I have never agreed with launching your kite over the bike path. That is why I still launch with my kite towards the water. In this case, it would be easier for the launcher to pick the kite up if it were rigged "the wrong way".
Anyway,
to each there own....
Gabe Brown
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I noticed that too. I don't know where they teach that method. It just seems like a waste of time and it makes it a pain to launch someones kite. Also when some people are rigging one way and others the other it causes a lot of congestion and confusion on the beach. The safe way just seems so much faster and eaiser to me that I just wanted to share it.dewey wrote:thanks for the diagram. I didn't realize what you ment by reverse. I always get confused with the reverse way. I learned the "safe way", and figure out how I can rig on the beach that way. There are guys who only know how to rig reverse. I don't get it. When I was new they tried to show me how to rig the kite in reverse using the airplane method. Still can't do it. I guess everyone does it how they were tought.
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P.S
Believe me I am not trying to enfource or push a rigging style on anyone. I just wanted to share some knowledge. I am one of the most neutral and mello kiters that kites Alameda regularly. I am usually out on the water quickly anyway. I just noticed a few people having trouble on sunday and after showing them my method they were a lot happier.
Believe me I am not trying to enfource or push a rigging style on anyone. I just wanted to share some knowledge. I am one of the most neutral and mello kiters that kites Alameda regularly. I am usually out on the water quickly anyway. I just noticed a few people having trouble on sunday and after showing them my method they were a lot happier.
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I'm not saying it is unsafe that's why I used the quotation marks, refering to the previous post. I just get confused when I set up the lines in front of my kite. I know several people who do it that way. What ever way you use I always tell people to triple check the lines. That's the safe way ;-)
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Pipe,
Thanks for the info and the diagram. It's good to have the info out there and for it to be clearly explained for anyone to absorb.
I've always run my lines from the front of the kite and never have a problem, and as Gabe mentioned, if someone is off, it's immediately apparent and a quick fix. The most important thing for new folks to keep in mind is that whichever way they use and get comfortable with, stick with it. Just do what always works for you and it becomes second nature.
I've actually had beginners at Alameda ask me on several occasions to check their lines, and I had to admit that since they rigged from the back, I wasn't the one to ask, as I've always done it from the front.
So, use the method that works for and stick with it. Before launching, always visually confirm that your lines are good. 99% of the time, if anyone does cross lines, it's restricted to one side and the back was switched with the front and vice versa, which is manageable even if you don't catch it and go ahead and launch. The most dangerous possibility is if you manage to switch right to left, which would result in instant calamity upon launching! Always check your lines!!
Thanks for the info and the diagram. It's good to have the info out there and for it to be clearly explained for anyone to absorb.
I've always run my lines from the front of the kite and never have a problem, and as Gabe mentioned, if someone is off, it's immediately apparent and a quick fix. The most important thing for new folks to keep in mind is that whichever way they use and get comfortable with, stick with it. Just do what always works for you and it becomes second nature.
I've actually had beginners at Alameda ask me on several occasions to check their lines, and I had to admit that since they rigged from the back, I wasn't the one to ask, as I've always done it from the front.
So, use the method that works for and stick with it. Before launching, always visually confirm that your lines are good. 99% of the time, if anyone does cross lines, it's restricted to one side and the back was switched with the front and vice versa, which is manageable even if you don't catch it and go ahead and launch. The most dangerous possibility is if you manage to switch right to left, which would result in instant calamity upon launching! Always check your lines!!
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I just took my land lesson w/ KWS today. They covered rigging the kite normal & reverse. The only difference was that they specifically instructed us to rig the inside lines first, then steering lines second. They said this was the best way to keep the lines uncrossed, by rigging the power line to the leading edge that was on the ground & then the steering line on the trailing edge. Apparently, if you rig in the opposite fashion, there's a chance you can cross your lines when you lift you steering line to connect to the trailing edge pigtail.
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