Coast kiting - respect

[zgur]

You see forecast for wind and you get stoked, I get it, so do I. You decide to make a trip to the coast.

If you ride a twin tip, PLEASE stay off the peak of the wave. You are just clogging up the lineup and not making any aloha happen. You can not ride the wave - it's physics. That's you Naish twin tip dude, and North tt rider yesterday. Yes, you heard the guy on black rrd yell at you. I was telling you to get off the peak.

Kooking out in the lineup, when there is good surf, is like zig zagging down the fingers on a big pow day. Just not ok.

Not safe. Not respectful. Don't do it please.

Another key point: gear breaks. Before going out, ask yourself if you have enough game to swim in without your kite. Trust me, shit happens. The surf is different from your gyms pool. There is no jet ski to pluck your ass from the ocean.

Get sum, Z

[Fredstem]

+1

[etxxz]

Gonna throw some wood in this fire.. ENOUGH TT hate on this forum people. Crissy. Coast. 3rd. Reminds me of the shortboard vs longboard vs SUP (vs buggy) [still ongoing] "rivalry" lol. I bet if he was on a surfboard he would have still gotten in your way, and kooked up the lineup even worse. Nobody is born a pro and maybe that was the problem - an un-courteous, un-experienced kiter - so limit your rant to that bro. The board is also no indication of his swimming ability. I've kite Scotts on 20ft days twice on my TT and i assure you i can shred on it too. Basic surfing etiquette applies. Rotation. Courtesy goes both ways. Regardless of equipment. Doesn't matter if i claim a wave on a directional, TT or banana skis. Its my wave and if anyone were to drop in id yell at them too even if they were covered in caution apparel and gear. It actually takes 2 or 3 to even set me off.. but any who, i hope said Naish TT kiter reads this and learns some manners for the future. I'm sure you still got plenty that day and that's all that should matter.

[friggin old guy]

I think some of those dudes were lurking on the shoulders too. One of them was hanging on the shoulder of a well overhead wave blocking my only way to kick out so I had to redirect and got slammed.

I mean it's all good to be out there on a tt but situational awareness please no matter what you're riding. Especially when there's a bit of size......

Yeah sure tt is not sure telltale of ability but......more often than not the guy (or gal don't want to be pegged as sexist hater) pulling something unexpected/unsafe is on equipment that most would agree not optimal for stellar wave riding conditions.

I think z was calling out some guys that could be identified by what they were riding. Not a hater. He and I compared notes on the beach Sunday and we'd both had some stuff to shake our heads about. But nothing to ruin anybody's day, nobody hurt.....which I think was a big part of the message too. Have fun, be safe.......

And I don't care how experienced you are, when it's overhead there the swim is nothing to take lightly. I've surfed OB for years and Scott creek is every bit as heavy when it's big.......

[etxxz]

yeah I'd be a little mad too if that became the pattern...

As for swimming in, we all need to check our egos from time to time. I actually broke my leash surfing sharp park last weekend in double +, way the f out about 3/4 of the pier. That was a good swim and a half... sure I almost have gills and can do an ocean mile swim in 17min, but after surfing for 1.5hr your body is already orderline exhausted. Gotta have some game left as Z puts it.

[Aloha]

I too was out at the coast but on the foilboard (and no, before you even ask, I wasn't on a high aspect foil!!) and sure, I might have been catching a lot of bad vibrations being thrown my way when I was dropping into waves - but you know what they say: haters gone hate and playas gone play!

Boardism can sometimes get nasty but I think with a little empathy, patience, and an understanding that at the end of the day we're all human beings towed around by the wind, we can embrace the notion that we're more alike than we are different and break down the walls that keep us from coming together to attain line-up rotation nirvana

[zgur]

I think you gents are missing the point....this is not about boardism, or brand issues....it is about respect.

BTW, SUPS and Longboards and buggy's, while super fun to play on, just don't belong in certain line ups. For example, 4-mile is NOT a SUP wave....I'm sure Kai Lenny can rip it, but your average guy will either hit someone, or break his gear there.

Same applies to the north coast when the surf gets over head high. Yes, you can whip your kite around and get dragged around the face - like a skate park or OB - but you are not riding the wave. I'm not the one to decide what is cool/ok.....just making observations in an attempt to create some order of the rising chaos caused by so many new people w/limited clue about surf rules

.....Using that logic, and taking it to its extreme, I can body drag down the wave face at Scot's as long as I don't cut you off, right?? (Sarcasm).....

The intent of my post was to edumacate the newbies who clearly have no clue about rotation/rules of surf....and no, it's not limited to TT.....this week - not a crazy busy weekend day - a dude on a Best kite/directional short jibed my wave that I was riding for 6 turns from the top of the peak....right on the inside of the reef where its glassy and steep....one of my personal favorite parts of the wave when you come screaming down the line......I saw him ride the wave before me.....there were only 6 of us riding that day.....and the brother short jibed my wave and took the last sweet hack of the wave I was riding....

Yes, we "chatted" on the water. I'm pretty sure he will NOT do that again...My guess he just did not know to look upwind, saw a steep face and decided to take it.

Be respectful. Have fun. Get sum, Z

[tgautier]

I think (hope) we all get the point.

For future reference its phrasing like this "If you ride a twin tip, PLEASE stay off the peak of the wave." that probably led to the misunderstanding.

Peace out.

[waves are good]

Zev and all,

I think it has nothing to do with what type of board on which you are riding. If a twin tipper or foil boarder or dare I say windsurfer can get in the lineup safely and not create a hazard and disorder for anyone, I'm all for it.

The problem is the fucktards, and there are more and more of them out there everyday, that have no clue as to how to respect their fellow sailor with basic wave riding etiquette. I also think there is a segment of our kite population that are aware of riding etiquette but just don't care or are too stupid to realize what can, will and does happen as a result of short tacking, dropping in on people, etc. etc. etc.

And as has been pointed out, can you people swim in the surf in which you are kiting? Imagine that your kite is no longer attached to you and you are swimming in through the chaos of a 12' @ 17s day with vicious rip current along the beach.

Good luck all. And try to think a little bit about those around you when you are kiting. Kitesurf etiquette has been beat to death in these forums over the years. Do a search and educate yourself. The very understanding and chill local crew who can kite circles around you may not be so kind the next time you short tack them.

[le noun]

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