5th line kitemare

[dewey]

But then the 5th line begat threads titled "5th line kitemare", increased time unraveling extra line rigging( look at their facial expressions when unraveling), an extra line that cuts the kite in half, after relaunching often makes rider come back to beach to get lines straight.
This all has begotten 4 line kites with tiny bridles! IMHO.

I have yet to see a 5th line cut a kite in two. I have seen many bridled kites floating down wind with no chance of relaunch The post was about Paul not untwisting his lines and warning others not to foget to untwist.

If you want to praise bows and trash C's then start a new thread, but do you really want to go there?

Stop the them vs. us bullshit and be happy with what you got!!!

[panzerfaust]

I fly exclusively using the 5th element bar and I can say that it is a real pain to have to untwist the lines by either forward rolling or while rolling up the lines, I wish the design was better in that respect. Since everything I do so far is greately favored by the backward direction, after about an hour of 720s, backrolls and kiteloops, the movement of the 5th line is a real concern not to mention the fact that the lines seem to be wearing out much faster at the split point. I haven¥t had to relaunch my kite (rhinos or vegas) with so many twists but I wouldn¥t imagine it would be as easy. On the other hand, when I do drop the kite I never use the fifth line to relaunch anyway out of sheer habbit.

lmontejo, dude, every one of your posts ends with the bow comparison and how great the crossbow is, surprisingly out of the thousands of kites I¥ve seen over the past couple of weeks in Tarifa an estonishingly small percentage of them were crossbows.

On another note, I flew my Windwings and couple of times and I had people coming up to me asking about the Raptures and how they heard all these great things about them. I pretty much left the WW camp; Is WW still around?

[knyfe]

[quote"lmontejo"]
Long live the 4-line bow![/quote]

Leo, I know you are a bow fan but I never had any problems with my 5th either. Even on a bow I would think about installing a 5th as relaunch in REALLy light wind is impossible with a 5th.

Did you ever release the bow in really high winds?

Long live the fast turning, low bar pressure, easy relauch 5th with "oh shit" handle ... ;-) G

BTW we were mising you all yesterday ...

[moblvet]

Mea Culpa Dewey.
I've personally seen three 5 liners cut kites in half, there are things in the world outside your view of vision.
If you don't want criticism and alternatives on this post, then state what this is, a pimp thread and others stay out. Although I don't see any criticism of Leo, OK a pimp and friend thread only. Sheesh!

[Bulldog]

Chris,
I'm confused about your post. You don't need to do frontrolls to untwist your lines; you just need to do backrolls (or spins or loops) in the opposite direction. I personally can only do spins going port, so I do backrolls going starboard. This keeps the lines relatively untwisted.

I guess if you only do all your tricks in one direction, then you need to learn to do frontrolls.

BTW, North isn't the only one with a five line bow; Ozone and now Slingshot (the Link can be set up either way) both have five line bows.

[Bulldog]

Jeez I thought the criticism in my post was implicit. What happened to me was scary and while completely preventable, is something that North would do best to caution folks about.

Maybe if I had read the owners manual :-k

[dewey]

Mea Culpa Dewey.
I've personally seen three 5 liners cut kites in half, there are things in the world outside your view of vision.
If you don't want criticism and alternatives on this post, then state what this is, a pimp thread and others stay out. Although I don't see any criticism of Leo, OK a pimp and friend thread only. Sheesh!

I still haven't seen it happen. I have seen one wrap, but no damage. I'm sure it has happened, but with all my time at the beach I still have not seen it.

Why would you use this thread to criticize a 5th? It had nothing to do cutting a kite in half.

How could you call it a pimp thread or a post for friends. It's a safety warning (although it should be common sense). Don't hijack it with a cult like bow kite following. Kites are different styles, riders are looking for different things in a kite. I think that the bow has a place, but don't dis other kites because your stoked on what you got (all kites compromise somewhere, even the SLE's). Do we really have to elevate ourselves by putting others down? Just be stoked on your kite and the feeling that you get, and share the stoke, not the my kite is better than your's bull shit that gets smeared all over the internet.

Paul watch the twist in your lines.

[panzerfaust]

Chris,
I'm confused about your post. You don't need to do frontrolls to untwist your lines; you just need to do backrolls (or spins or loops) in the opposite direction. I personally can only do spins going port, so I do backrolls going starboard. This keeps the lines relatively untwisted.

I guess if you only do all your tricks in one direction, then you need to learn to do frontrolls.

BTW, North isn't the only one with a five line bow; Ozone and now Slingshot (the Link can be set up either way) both have five line bows.

Yeah, that¥s precisely what it is. I can do front rolls but I can¥t do any rolls going left foot forward and can only do a sketchy loop while going in that direction on a transition. I also started doing 720s and tried to kiteloop while doing that which means three front rolls. I think I really need to spend time working on my forward moves.

[moblvet]

Dewey, I'm realizing you have to have the last word, even if it's just repeating yourself, heh.
"Why would you use this thread to criticize a 5th?" I suppose for the same reasons Leo, I and Imontejo have.
People are asking what is a 5th line, and for those having kitemares because of kite design, it shows other opinions/solutions.
I sold my Crossbows (4line), sold my RRD type7, wave and HIR kites because of that damn 5th line, and you know what, now I'm on a 4 line tiny bridled kite (Ion) and all the crap/nightmares with 5 liners have gone away.
I had no problem changing my Naish 2 line AR 2.5's to 4 lines, but this 5 line design has inherent flaws I just don't want to deal with, so for those who don't know the difference between C/Bow/SLE hybrid/5 line kites, and those with 5 line kitemares, there are alternatives out there, at least three of us are communicating that. Just more information for all, don't you know.

[dewey]

Dewey, I'm realizing you have to have the last word, even if it's just repeating yourself, heh.
"Why would you use this thread to criticize a 5th?" I suppose for the same reasons Leo, I and Imontejo have.
People are asking what is a 5th line, and for those having kitemares because of kite design, it shows other opinions/solutions.
I sold my Crossbows (4line), sold my RRD type7, wave and HIR kites because of that damn 5th line, and you know what, now I'm on a 4 line tiny bridled kite (Ion) and all the crap/nightmares with 5 liners have gone away.
I had no problem changing my Naish 2 line AR 2.5's to 4 lines, but this 5 line design has inherent flaws I just don't want to deal with, so for those who don't know the difference between C/Bow/SLE hybrid/5 line kites, and those with 5 line kitemares, there are alternatives out there, at least three of us are communicating that. Just more information for all, don't you know.

Yeah kinda

I'll repeat it one more time ya. I'm just tired of all the mine is better than yours.

I think you gave a better explanation for going to SLE kite this time, without the whole rehashed "BOW GOOD" crap though.

I'm going to go kite now